Bahnsen's cross examination of Stein

Here is an excerpt from 'The Great Debate' between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein written in "Pushing the Antithesis."

Bahnsen: Are all factual questions answered in the same way?

Stein: No, they are not. They're answered by the use of certain methods, though, tat are the same--reason, logic, presenting evidence, and facts.

Bahnsen: All right. I heard you mention logical binds and logical self-contradictions in your speech. You did say that?

Stein: I said. I used that phrase, yes.

Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic, then?

Stein: Absolutely.

Bahnsen: Are they universal?

Stein: They're agreed upon by human beings. They aren't laws that exist out in nature. They're consensual.

Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions, then?

Stein: They are conventions, but they are conventions that are self-verifying.

Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?

Stein: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by men and promulgated by men.

Bahnsen: Are they material in nature?

Stein: How can a law be material in nature?

Bahnsen: That's a question I am going to ask you.

Stein: I would say no.

Moderator: Dr. Stein, you now have an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Bahnsen.

Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial?

Bahnsen: Immaterial.

Stein: What is something that is immaterial?

Bahnsen: Something not extended in space.

Stein: Can you give me an example of anything other than God that is immaterial?

Bahnsen: The laws of logic.

Moderator: I am going to have to ask the audience to hold it down please. Please. Refrain from laughter and applause. Can you hold that down please?